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Mercedes Benz Sprinter James Cook For Sale in Buenos Aires (Fahrzeug abzugeben)

Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Dienstag, 26. Juli 2022, 14:42 (vor 70 Tagen)

Hi all, we have a 1996 Sprinter 312, five cylinder Turbo diesel James Cook (Westfalia) for sale. It is in great shape, mechanically and aesthetically. All original, hasn't been modified. It has an expired Argentinian TIP, but we can deliver in between any border with Argentina and a neighboring country of your choice. The Sprinter has a factory rear differential locker and Seikel air suspension lift system. Excellent chance for anyone looking to do the Pan American from south to north. Reliable, comfortable, and efficient. Parts available thorugh most of Latin America. Fully serviced at our shop. Comes with German registration and license plates, it would need to be transferred to buyer. Asking USD 15.000. Contact me if you would like more details and photos. Cristian

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Roland Karch @, Donaueschingen, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 16:02 (vor 69 Tagen) @ Andean Roads
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Hi Kristian,

I am seriously interested. Please send details via email rkarch57@gmail.com
Roland

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 18:40 (vor 69 Tagen) @ Roland Karch

Hi Roland, I will send you more photos and info to your email shortly. The key issue is if you can have the vehicle transferred to your name with the German registration, which is the only document I got when we purchased it. As far as the vehicle, it is in great shape. I forgot to mention that it has solar panels. Regards,

Cristian

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ikke, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 20:28 (vor 69 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

wenn kein Kraftfahrzeugbrief vorhanden ist, dann ist ein Verkauf mit Ummeldung nicht möglich!

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 20:43 (vor 69 Tagen) @ ikke

There is a registration.

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Jamesy, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 21:11 (vor 69 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Everyone - please.

This van has travelled up and down the Panam for more than 10 years, under many a number of regos and names. And no - there is no more TÜV

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2022, 21:48 (vor 69 Tagen) @ Jamesy

Would you mind sharing its story? I would be interested in knowing more details. We do have it's German registration. Obviously the TUV is expired since its been away from Germany for many years, perhaps 10 as you mention. Dos that mean it can't be registered? I am not familiar with German registration requirements. Thank you.

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Samstag, 30. Juli 2022, 11:58 (vor 66 Tagen) @ Jamesy

Everyone - please.

This van has travelled up and down the Panam for more than 10 years, under many a number of regos and names. And no - there is no more TÜV

Jamesy, you have time to tell people about such a statement but when asked for details you don't follow up...We do have the vehicle's original and matching German registration. It is sold now, by the way. But I would advise not to make such statements if you are not going to provide a basis to your words, especially when requested. I am not saying you are lying since I don't know the long-term history of this Sprinter, just that if you are going to make such a bald statement in someone's ad you should at least provide more explanation to make sure your story matches, and for the benefit of potential buyers. Otherwise, better to keep your mouth (keyboard) shut.

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Jamesyy, Sonntag, 31. Juli 2022, 07:23 (vor 65 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Andean - not sure what you are actually trying to achieve. It seems you are somewhat upset. Anyhow, as you are insisting let me be a bit more straight:

You state you sold the vehicle, presumably at an inflated price. It’s been traded for around 10k before. Hope you fixed fridge and heating. Back then the van still had carrier boxes, though. Any thoughts about auxiliary batteries? A 5+ year old lead battery won’t get you too far. Not even talking about 20+ years old solar panels. And by the way: There are issues with the transmission, it’s rings are seriously worn down. Changing these sucks badly. Hard to get spares, you will have to fly them in from Stuttgart. You can’t just forge these parts in Bolivia, like some of the spares used to fixed the suspension.

We could go on here for ages, but I guess you get the picture: An almost 30 year old van with 10+ years of Panam and it’s fair share of ripio is a sure way to see a mechanic every month or so.

The reason for my post was to make people aware that it is a travelers van. These vans have their very own standards when it comes to documents and change of ownership. That’s about it, didn’t mean to state anything more.

But as you insisted on being inquisitive, here we go: This van is running on badly photoshopped fake documents, and there is NO way to transfer these docs without substantial risks. The only way to go would be a completely new national registration, but you’d have to deal with import taxes.

The vans serial is in every border crossing database on the continent, and if some official decides to be a dick, you will be in trouble. That may well happen in Argentina: When leaving the country an official once asked us about the real documents - which we obviously couldn’t provide. He just nodded, and stated: If it was good enough to enter, I won’t force you to stay. Buen Viaje.

I personally believe changing plates and docs at UY crossings still does the job, but any buyer should be aware of the implications.

Not sure what you told the buyers or how you facilitated the transaction - would you mind sharing some details?

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Montag, 01. August 2022, 13:53 (vor 64 Tagen) @ Jamesyy
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Hello Jamesyy,

Thanks for sending more details, it is what you should have done initially. For one thing, it allows me to confirm that you are wrong in most instances and that you should never make assumptions. First and most importantly, this car came with it's original German registration, not a fake one. I am 100% sure of that. Second, a full mechanical service was performed at our shop in Buenos Aires. We have a fleet of Sprinters for motorhome rentals and know our way around them. I have personally driven it and it shifts beautifully. The vehicle is now in great running order. Regarding the fridge, I have not tested it but have recommended an upgrade to a 12v/compressor system anyway. As far as the cargo box, it is still there and is going with the car, not that it really matters. New batteries as well. One for the engine and one deep cycle.

I don't know how much of a traveller and/or overlander you are, but a well maintained older generation TD Sprinter is the exact opposite of having to see a mechanic every month.

As for the buyer, he will see if he can register it in his name in Germany with the original paperwork first. Otherwise we will import it to the USA. ALL LEGALLY.

I understand adding information to someone's ad, so everybody can benefit, is a good thing. But you have to make sure you are objective and accurate, otherwise it is unfair for both seller and potential buyers.

Cris

Andean - not sure what you are actually trying to achieve. It seems you are somewhat upset. Anyhow, as you are insisting let me be a bit more straight:

You state you sold the vehicle, presumably at an inflated price. It’s been traded for around 10k before. Hope you fixed fridge and heating. Back then the van still had carrier boxes, though. Any thoughts about auxiliary batteries? A 5+ year old lead battery won’t get you too far. Not even talking about 20+ years old solar panels. And by the way: There are issues with the transmission, it’s rings are seriously worn down. Changing these sucks badly. Hard to get spares, you will have to fly them in from Stuttgart. You can’t just forge these parts in Bolivia, like some of the spares used to fixed the suspension.

We could go on here for ages, but I guess you get the picture: An almost 30 year old van with 10+ years of Panam and it’s fair share of ripio is a sure way to see a mechanic every month or so.

The reason for my post was to make people aware that it is a travelers van. These vans have their very own standards when it comes to documents and change of ownership. That’s about it, didn’t mean to state anything more.

But as you insisted on being inquisitive, here we go: This van is running on badly photoshopped fake documents, and there is NO way to transfer these docs without substantial risks. The only way to go would be a completely new national registration, but you’d have to deal with import taxes.

The vans serial is in every border crossing database on the continent, and if some official decides to be a dick, you will be in trouble. That may well happen in Argentina: When leaving the country an official once asked us about the real documents - which we obviously couldn’t provide. He just nodded, and stated: If it was good enough to enter, I won’t force you to stay. Buen Viaje.

I personally believe changing plates and docs at UY crossings still does the job, but any buyer should be aware of the implications.

Not sure what you told the buyers or how you facilitated the transaction - would you mind sharing some details?

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Jamey’s last words, Montag, 01. August 2022, 14:42 (vor 64 Tagen) @ Jamesyy

German docs aren’t laminated.

Be a nice guy and advice your client not to try foolish things. Could ver well backfire.

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Montag, 01. August 2022, 18:38 (vor 64 Tagen) @ Jamey’s last words

I told you it is 100% genuine, and hence not laminated.

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Jumbo, Montag, 01. August 2022, 18:59 (vor 64 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Just stop replying, it doesn’t change anything whatsoever. There is nothing to be won discussing such issues publicly. Of course you are a honorable tradesmen, doing business in your clients best interest. Nobody would ever doubt, and if so they’d have to deal with your legal representative. He might have a been a better go-to address anyways, rather than start picking fights with anons on public boards.

Omg, Cris.

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dunrai, Montag, 01. August 2022, 19:48 (vor 64 Tagen) @ Jumbo

Hi Jumbo, this is a public forum where anyone can post as long as they follow the rules. It's not just about the specific vehicle (it's sold), but also about the requirements for selling a vehicle with a foreign registration abroad. Unfortunately, there are still misunderstandings among the so-called "travelers" and "overlanders". If all previous owners have paid the taxes for this vehicle in Germany in the last 10 years, everything is fine, that would be the prerequisite for an existing registration. If not, the papers are duplicates and worthless. The vehicle is then not registered and you cannot take an (legal) insurance for it! This kind of "overlanding" might be a few cents cheaper at first, but it's priceless in the end.
And if those "Travelers" think all the authorities abroad are more stupider than those at home, they should stay at home.
BG Rainer

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Adriaan1960, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 15:42 (vor 63 Tagen) @ dunrai

To clear up some questions about the German Paperwork(I live in Germany), a few words to the wise:

Every German Motorvehicle has two Registration Papers: the so called Fahrzeugbrief and the Fahrzeugschein.
The "brief" is about DIN A4, contains all Data concerning the Vehicle, the previous and current Owner. Color Green. This one is normally at home, it is not necessary or advisable to carry it with you in your car.

The "schein" is also Green, and is the one which contains your License Number, Name etc, what Tires are allowed, noise and pollution class etc. This one have to be in the vehicle at all times and is the one that you present the Police if asked for the Registration of the car. Size is about one third of a DIN A4 sheet.

So far, so simple. And yes, there is a but.....

German registrated vehicles must have a valid TÜV(Technical Check) every two years, heavy trucks more often. Gets you a ticket when it is overdue. Problem: the Registration Office accepts ONLY the check from a German TÜV.

This is one of the big problems if a car has been outside of Germany/European Union for a longer time and the TÜV is no longer valid. There is ABSOLUTELY no way the register the car in your name if you do not have a valid TÜV - which is a "small" problem when the car is f.i. in Mexico.

You might be able to convert the ownership on the Fahrzeugbrief, but not on the Fahrzeugschein which is necessary to use the car on public streets.

And there is the next little trap: all the International Treaties that allow you to drive you German(or elsewhere) Car outside of its home country, have one thing in common: the vehicle has to be registered and can be legally driven on the road in the country where it is registered..

The Mercosur and other Insurances you need when traveling also demand this without exemption. Which means legally the insurance is not valid..... Now you think: who cares, they will not find out. Well, maybe as long as you cause only a few bucks damage. If you cause a real bad accident, in the worst case with people killed, then forget this. In this case Police and afterwards your Insurance company will most definitely check every little thing. Do you really want to find out what happens if this accident happens in the USA and the Insurance company backs out because of the false Information you gave them?

These are the most important issues when you buy a German registered Vehicle outside of Germany, so take care what you do. I think the only legal, problem free way to get around this is to officially import the car in the Country where you buy it and get lokal Numberplates.

And that is also not so easy...

Adriaan

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 18:26 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Adriaan1960

A very helpful message, thanks!!

We have the original Fahrzeugschein for the James Cook. Since it appears that, because of the TUV requirement, it is not registrable in Germany we will go for the importation to the USA. Being over 25 years old it is an easy process, which I've done in the past.

Thank you for taking the time of explaining this. Cris

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Adriaan1960, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 18:52 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Chris,

Your welcome!

Please be aware that my Post does Not cover everything about German Registration, I tried to stick to the parts that are important for you.

Having the original "brief" will help to prove ownership.

Good luck with the new registration,

Adriaan

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Omg, Cris, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 19:48 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Of course you got the official documents. Please go ahead presenting these to authorities. Everything will be awesome.

Omg, Cris.

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Seikel, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 19:53 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Omg, Cris

Seikel. Sure.

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 20:12 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Omg, Cris

Of course you got the official documents. Please go ahead presenting these to authorities. Everything will be awesome.

Omg, Cris.

It seems that there are some idiots in this forum that doubt my word (and don't show their real user names). So I am taking the trouble of attaching the vehicle's original registration so they can end being in the way of constructive comments. I hope they shut up now.

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Lost, Dienstag, 02. August 2022, 21:47 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Registered as lost.

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feldschloesschen, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 01:39 (vor 63 Tagen) @ Lost

@Andean Roads: The documents are worthless because they are reported as lost. This car can only be driven legally if you import it to Argentina and pay all the taxes, fees etc and get local plates. I hope you give the buyer his money back and keep your mouth (keyboard) shut.

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 02:06 (vor 63 Tagen) @ feldschloesschen

@Andean Roads: The documents are worthless because they are reported as lost. This car can only be driven legally if you import it to Argentina and pay all the taxes, fees etc and get local plates. I hope you give the buyer his money back and keep your mouth (keyboard) shut.

You are wrong, once again. I am actually a bit bored of proving you wrong...First of all, it is the genuine title for it, against what you were saying earlier (under a different name, why do you play hide and seek?). Second, it is 100% importable to the USA, and other countries. :) Better stay quiet, and I would like to request the administrator to close this thread since the vehicle is sold and no constructive answers are being published, only one idiot posing as many and being constantly wrong.

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dunrai, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 09:41 (vor 62 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Christian: no one is an idiot when discussing what is allowed and what is not. The rules are very simple and apply in one way or another all over the world: an unregistered vehicle cannot be legally driven on the road.

Of course there are original papers if someone previously reported them as lost or stolen. But if he then deregisters the vehicle with the new papers (to "save" money), the old papers are worthless because they are left over from a crime. It's the same in Germany and the same everywhere else. If that's not the case, everything is fine and nobody needs to get upset. Nevertheless, it is important for everyone else to know what can happen when you want to buy a car abroad.
BG Rainer

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 12:24 (vor 62 Tagen) @ dunrai

Christian: no one is an idiot when discussing what is allowed and what is not. The rules are very simple and apply in one way or another all over the world: an unregistered vehicle cannot be legally driven on the road.

Of course there are original papers if someone previously reported them as lost or stolen. But if he then deregisters the vehicle with the new papers (to "save" money), the old papers are worthless because they are left over from a crime. It's the same in Germany and the same everywhere else. If that's not the case, everything is fine and nobody needs to get upset. Nevertheless, it is important for everyone else to know what can happen when you want to buy a car abroad.
BG Rainer

Yes, you are right. I do apologize about my public discharge. I felt this other person (whoever he/she is) was just trying to prove me wrong instead of constructively mention obstacles like you and others did. You just can't come into someone's selling thread implying that what is being sold is trash and illegal without providing more details, and when you do it is false information. I found that biased and mean, and I still don't understand the motives. But again, I apologize to all third parties for such sad and low level exhibition.

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OMG. Cris???, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 22:54 (vor 62 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Everyone - please.

This van has travelled up and down the Panam for more than 10 years, under many a number of regos and names. And no - there is no more TÜV


Mean.Sad. Biased.

Omg, Cris.

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feldschloesschen, Dienstag, 09. August 2022, 03:06 (vor 57 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Christian: no one is an idiot when discussing what is allowed and what is not. The rules are very simple and apply in one way or another all over the world: an unregistered vehicle cannot be legally driven on the road.

Of course there are original papers if someone previously reported them as lost or stolen. But if he then deregisters the vehicle with the new papers (to "save" money), the old papers are worthless because they are left over from a crime. It's the same in Germany and the same everywhere else. If that's not the case, everything is fine and nobody needs to get upset. Nevertheless, it is important for everyone else to know what can happen when you want to buy a car abroad.
BG Rainer


Yes, you are right. I do apologize about my public discharge. I felt this other person (whoever he/she is) was just trying to prove me wrong instead of constructively mention obstacles like you and others did. You just can't come into someone's selling thread implying that what is being sold is trash and illegal without providing more details, and when you do it is false information. I found that biased and mean, and I still don't understand the motives. But again, I apologize to all third parties for such sad and low level exhibition.


So, you gave the money back and canceled selling an unregistered car without legal documents? You can call me what ever you want for pointing out the truth.

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Adriaan @, Mittwoch, 03. August 2022, 11:16 (vor 62 Tagen) @ feldschloesschen

Mein import (Fahrzeug) dauerte 1 Jahr, und nicht erlaubt es zu bewegen, und 7 personen haben Motor& Fahrgestell kontrolliert !

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Horacio @, Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2022, 22:10 (vor 68 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Buen dia
Mucho gusto, mi nombre es Horacio, soy de PARANA, ENTRE RIOS, ARGENTINA

CONSULTAS:
en que parte de Argentina se encuentra?

que preciosa tiene de venta ?

si tenes un numero de telefono envimelo

muchas gracias

ABRAZOS Horacio

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Laura Peters @, Samstag, 10. September 2022, 21:03 (vor 24 Tagen) @ Andean Roads

Hi,
Is the car still available?
Regards
Laura

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Andean Roads ⌂ @, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Samstag, 10. September 2022, 22:29 (vor 24 Tagen) @ Laura Peters

Hello Laura, it is not available any longer. Sorry.

Cris

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