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Gas in Coyhaique/Chile (Technisches)

Iglmoos, Samstag, 17. Februar 2018, 16:54 (vor 122 Tagen)

In Coyhaique/Chile und Umgebung will niemand unsere dt. 5kg- Flasche auffüllen. Möglich wäre aber ein Umfüllen aus einer chilenischen 5kg- oder 11kg-Flasche eines Bekannten hier.

Dabei tritt aber folgendes Problem auf:
An den chilenischen Anschlüssen ist immer ein Druckminderer integriert (30 oder 50 mB). In unserer dt. Flasche (ohne Druckminderer) herrscht ein Druck von 3 Bar. Sobald wir die Ventile öffnen, fliesst wg. des höheren Drucks das bisschen Restgas aus unserer Flasche nach oben in Richtung chil. Flasche anstatt umgekehrt.

Frage an die Freunde der Umfüllmethode: Wie habt ihr das Problem gelöst?
Gibt es Druckminderer mit 3 oder 5 Bar? Gibt es Adapter ohne Druckminderer?

Frage an Chile-erfahrene Reisende: wer füllt wo in Süd-Chile dt. Gasflaschen?

Danke für jeden Tipp und Grüße
Hartmut

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Samstag, 17. Februar 2018, 21:04 (vor 121 Tagen) @ Iglmoos
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Possibility at Peurto Aysen but not definite for EU bottles. Said to fill US bottles

One place where you are will sell you a Chilean bottle and can buy a regulator and hose at sodimac

Both are on ioverlander

The big tall chilean home gas bottles have valves and POL outlets and separate regulators so could be used for gravity fill if you have a gravity fill hose with POL fitting on one end and EU fitting on the other.

Lot more chance if you buy the adaptors you need - large ACME to your bottle, and POL to your bottle. Same problem will come up all over S A

In this case http://mableyliu.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/buying-butane-in-argentina-when-you.... in the reverse direction.


I read a blog once where someone had tried pulling the chilean regulator apart to get rid of the regulator and make a high pressure connection but it did not end well. Would likely be possible if you had access to a machine shop and knew what you were doing

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Gas in Coyhaique/Chile

Iglmoos, Montag, 19. Februar 2018, 13:31 (vor 120 Tagen) @ IVECO Tony

Thank you Tony,

what do you mean by "large ACME to your bottle"?
and why "a POL to my bottle?"

In Uruguay and Argentina we had no Problem getting our bottle filled. How about Bolivia?


Regards, Hartmut

Gas in Coyhaique/Chile

Iglmoos, Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018, 21:14 (vor 118 Tagen) @ Iglmoos

Habe ich meine Frage so unklar gestellt oder gibt es tatsächlich niemanden, der mir erklären/dabei helfen kann, meine deutsche 5-Liter-Gasflasche zu füllen? Mir wurde in Deutschland ein falscher US-Adapter verkauft und deshalb kann ich an der LipiGas-Tankstelle (z.B. in Puerto Aysen) nix tanken.

Folgendes wäre hilfreich:

Gibt es in Chile eine Quelle, wo ich den richtigen (POL-?)- US-Adapter kaufen kann?

Ein Foto des richtigen Adapters wäre nett (an mail@hdassel.de oder per Whatsapp an +56964288227)

Wie kriege ich das Gas aus einer chilenischen 5- oder 11-Literflasche per Umfüllmethode (gravity fill) in meine dt. Flasche. Es scheint ja möglich zu sein, es gibt Leute, die das hinkriegen. Aber wie?

Nochmals Danke für alle Tipps
Hartmut

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018, 00:35 (vor 118 Tagen) @ Iglmoos
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This is the kit that I used to keep my US bottles filled throughout most of South America,
but of course it would be different to fill European bottles.
I know what German bottles and french bottles look like

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but not yours. The POL fitting shown WILL fit the large Chilean bottles - the ones about 1.2m tall that are usually installed to supply houses from portable bottles

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"How do I get the gas from a Chilean 5- or 11-liter bottle per Umfüllmethode (gravity fill) in my dt. Bottle. It seems possible, there are people who can do it. But how?" I have seen articles from people who have tried but failed but as I said, a skilled machinist could do it. I've used Chilean gas bottles so know the problems. You could buy a chlean bottle and a regulator and hose and just replace your existing boottle regulator and hose with the Chile equivalent.
The Brazilian system is sort of similar but there the fitting screws onto the bottle and opens the valve once the seal has been made so it was easy but the Chilean is all in one click on fitting so not so easy since you would have to pull it to pieces, discard the guts of the regulator assembly and make the connection on the high pressure side of the regulator. Several Bar pressure to be handled so connections need to be secure.

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018, 01:45 (vor 118 Tagen) @ Iglmoos
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Bottom of page 1 at http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/15060-Propane-Install has details of trying to fill from a Chile small bottle.

He says

"The implications here are that you either:
a) Carry enough LP capacity to cover all of your time in Chile (unlikely).
b) Carry enough LP capacity to always be able to reach a major town/city to get to an LP plant to refill your US bottle (very challenging south of Puerto Montt).
c) Have a compartment or mounting position to accomodate small to medium Chile quick-disconnect bottles, plus purchase and install the corresponding Chile quick disconnect valve on your system. The latter is very easy, as the valves are available at all hardware stores in the quick-disconnect service territory. All you need is two hose clamps and a 3/8" brass union.
d) Buy the largest consumer bottle that uses a POL fitting and jumper fill a couple of US bottles.
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The other possibility (d) above is to gravity fill from a Chile 45kg bottle using a gravity feed hose with POL on one end and whatever fits your tanks on the other end. Then it should be easy

If you are only using gas for cooking then you could also just buy the bottle, regulator and hose plus a cheap 2 burner camping cooktop

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Gas in Coyhaique/Chile

Iglmoos, Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018, 19:53 (vor 117 Tagen) @ IVECO Tony

Hi Tony,

thank you so much for your help!

I bought a little camping cooker as emergency device and will try to find a mechanic that can make a connector to the 45kg-bottle-hose.

Then I still have to find someone with a 45kg bottle willing to fill my bottle.

Regards, Hartmut

Gas in Coyhaique/Chile

Lindau @, Freitag, 23. Februar 2018, 00:50 (vor 116 Tagen) @ Iglmoos

Ab puerto montt füllt dir jede planta deine gasflasche.

Gas in Coyhaique/Chile

Iglmoos, Freitag, 23. Februar 2018, 21:27 (vor 115 Tagen) @ Lindau

Mit welchem Adapter?
Ich weiß jetzt, dass ich ein vermutlich einen POL-Adapter brauche. Habe ich aber nicht, weil in in Deutschland den falschen US-Adapter gekauft habe.

Gruß, Hartmut

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