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Traveldog @, Sonntag, 23. August 2015, 18:57 (vor 3162 Tagen)

Hallo miteinander,

hat jemand eine gute Sammlung (für Garmin Gerät) mit Übernachtungsplätzen und Pois für Nord- Mittel und Südamerika und möchte diese gerne mit uns teilen? Ich kenne mich mit der Materie nicht so gut aus und würde mich riesig über entsprechende Wegpunkte freuen!

Danke und Gruss

Traveldog

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Traveldog, Sonntag, 23. August 2015, 19:52 (vor 3162 Tagen) @ Traveldog

Natürlich sind auch Hinweise zu entsprechenden Sammlungen äusserst willkommen!

Danke.

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Asam @, Sonntag, 23. August 2015, 23:08 (vor 3162 Tagen) @ Traveldog

ioverlander ist z.B. eine gute Anlaufstelle

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Traveldog, Montag, 24. August 2015, 01:28 (vor 3162 Tagen) @ Asam

Danke für die Info Asam!
Das ist ja schon mal super. Gibt es ggf. noch weitere solche pages mit mehr Punkten in Nordamerika?

Gruss Traveldog

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Pancho @, Montag, 24. August 2015, 03:23 (vor 3162 Tagen) @ Asam

Ioverlander haben auch eine gute app entwickelt!

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Wolfgang181, Montag, 24. August 2015, 09:17 (vor 3162 Tagen) @ Pancho

Hallo,

bei panamericanainfo.com gibt es Plätze (zT mit Bild), die nach Fahrzeugen geordnet sind. Die schönsten Plätze findest Du am Besten selbst. Aber in der Stadt ist es schon gut eine Adresse zu haben.

Denke daran, daß sich alles schnell ändert und Du es ganz anders vorfinden kannst als beschrieben.

Viele Grüße
Wolfgang

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Montag, 24. August 2015, 19:32 (vor 3161 Tagen) @ Traveldog

IOverlander is not much used in North America because there are already several free sites with thousands of places listed - although not always available as POI files and often needs on-line access.

http://boondockingguide.com/

http://freecampsites.net/

http://www.ultimatecampgrounds.com/uc/index.php

http://www.uscampgrounds.info/statemaps.html

and of course iOverlander has some as well, especially for Mexico

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dare2go ⌂ @, mal wieder in Chile, Freitag, 28. August 2015, 18:19 (vor 3157 Tagen) @ Traveldog

USA haben wir nicht aufgeschrieben oder sonstwie gespeichert.

Wir haben aber unsere alten Campinglisten ab Mexico online; etliche Daten werden aber wohl überaltert sein.
Dann haben wir eine neue Liste ab 2014 angefangen, bislang nur freie Plätze in Argentinien und Chile.

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dare2go ⌂ @, mal wieder in Chile, Freitag, 28. August 2015, 18:27 (vor 3157 Tagen) @ Traveldog

...das lässt das blöde Forum mich doch nicht meine Listen verlinken wegen "Spamverdacht"!
Das macht das Leben schwer!

Fortsetzung, zweiter Versuch:

Listen die ich ab-und-an benutze:
http://burtway.com/bolivia-campsites/
https://crossamerika.wordpress.com/category/tipps-fur-reisende/stellplatze/
http://www.reisevirus.info/tippsinfos/gps-daten/index.html sehr lahm!

...und einige andere. Aber oft sind wir zu faul Listen rauszusuchen!

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Freitag, 28. August 2015, 22:37 (vor 3157 Tagen) @ dare2go

When I first started researching for our traveling in SA, I used to keep a record of all the various lists of camping sites (using Firefox Scrapbook) that travellers were kind enough to provide in their blogs so I could access them off-line. Good in theory, but terrible in practice because the formats are all different, there is rarely any graphical interface, and anyway, who wants to search through multiple lists in the hope that there will be a suitable place somewhere near.


So being lazy, I only use lists that are available as or convertible to a GPX or CSV file and have at least some useful description that will come up on the GPS or BaseCamp or MapsPro. Then I discovered iOverlander which has incorporated lists from all sorts of sources into one standard format and made it freely available. Uncharacteristically for me, I have also used the paypal donate button in a fairly scroogish fashion to contribute a little to the running costs.

The other problem with individual lists is that three years after it is made it is highly suspect and you can waste time and money getting to a perfect site only to find a 3-metre brick wall around it. iOverlander has some chance of remaining current if only users would take a minute to update the details, and anyway, you can choose to ignore any entries not made within a certain period.
I know there are travellers who do make their personal lists available to iOverlander and that is what makes it such a useful tool that I have only come across two travellers who didn't know about it, and they were very grateful to be shown the light.

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dare2go ⌂ @, mal wieder in Chile, Montag, 31. August 2015, 02:04 (vor 3155 Tagen) @ IVECO Tony
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Tony, the trouble is that in many, TOO MANY, locations iOverlander is not working.
I know our lists made it on there initially, but for me iOverlander is close to useless. Yes, I've been even a beta tester of their Android app, but did I get to use it? Particularly in Argentina, where I happened to be at the time, mobile access and specifically mobile data is so patchy (at least where we like to travel) that we hardly ever got a signal (or only Edge, which was too weak to get data)!

The one time I wanted to add a place, where by pure chance we got a weak WiFi signal from a school nearby, I found the process to enter my data and answer all questions so tedious that I almost gave up. Then the app did it for me: it crashed when I wanted to upload! Since there was no way to retrieve my previously typed entry I gave up and went back to naming my photos!

We move, we move in places which are remote, we have tons of stuff to do when we get the chance to go online, so I have no time to play with apps for other people's advantage. Sorry, but we keep a blog up, we sometimes despair that we can't keep it updated, we try to keep in contact with family and friends, we have a Facebook page which too often is dormant due to lack of internet access...

Yes, I could do all these things if I would stay home with some fast broadband! But I'm not. I know from many many other overlanders that they have exactly the same problems with lack of internet.

We find most of the time our own places, sometimes I learn afterwards that the same place is also on iOverlander, but I have never searched for a place on iOverlander and found one - not the handful of times I have looked.

As to GPX tracks: I use a tablet with Android apps for navigation and OSM maps, and honestly I have no idea how I could extract GPX tracks from it. Different technology to a Garmin.

People can take my camping list and do what they like (except re-distribute), but I don't jump through hoops to make some Garmin freaks happy. Plus personally I found in the past that o/n waypoints without any decent description are often more useless than no waypoints at all.

BTW: I have uninstalled the last beta, but since then I haven't even bothered to install the first 'official version' = that's how good I find it...
Okay, it might be that iOverlander is working better on an iPhone, I have no idea since I don't own one, I don't want one, I don't need one. It was after all originally produced for Apple products. But I doubt it would be better on iPhone, since it would rely on the same (often lacking) mobile access as an Android device!

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IVECO Tony @, Wherever., Mittwoch, 02. September 2015, 13:26 (vor 3153 Tagen) @ dare2go
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Yes valid points that apply to any app requiring on-line access which is why I download the database and install it on my PC and Garmin. I don't rely on a smarphone or a non-existant phone service. Over-reliance on smart technology isn't smart and for the same reason, I like having a paper map available.Takes a couple of minutes to do and by downloading the entire continent when we move into a new country, it is up to date. The majority of overlanders wouldn't be using iOverlander if it wasn't of some use. No, I imagine it isn't their only source of info.

Yes, a lot of the older entries are of limited use which is why I deselect any place that hasn't been updated within three years and of course that also applies even more so with blogger lists because there is limited opportunity for correction. On that criteria alone, most blogger lists available would be de-selected. Every iOvelander site I visit, I correct, update or augment, and not only via the check-in facility, because I am not averse to rewriting a good deal of the original entry simply because the downloaded information only shows the original entry so if that was wrong or fanciful, then it will always be so unless edited.

Yes, many of the entries are merely roadside stops and many obviously written by lazy people, or the result of the original harvesting process, but that applies equally to blog posts and there are avid blogger overlanders who seem to only ever overnight in the backs of service stations or roadside clearings which doesn't really add much to the sum knowledge base because there aren't many service stations or roadside clearings that will refuse if you ask nicely.Naturally iOverlander has more than its fair share of those places.

As I said, the main advantage of evolving databases is just that - they are not dead lists and are subject to review and criticism. iOvelander, like similar offerings such as wikicampsAustralia/USA/Canada are fully functional off-line and most important of all provide graphical map interfaces - also off-line - that are useful to everyone not just those with either an intimate knowledge of a countries geography or an innate ability to judge the relative location of a point defined by coordinates on a list. As an example of the difference that evolution makes, most blogger lists are static and rapidly growing out-of-date, but the ioverlander lists are growing and the one for Turkey which had three places when I entered a few months ago now has 63 places and that growth happens because subsequent travellers see the use of it and add to the database. On the other side, I have marked a lot of places now unavailable as CLOSED so they don't persist in future downloads. Evolution.

I've got dozens of travellers lists of their camping spots up and down the Americas and they are stored on Firefox's Scrapbook which is fully searchable but none of the lists are really much use when it comes to planning a possible overnight stop somewhere along our possible route. I've got Phil and Angie's complete database also on my GPS and have used it occasionally, but it is now 5 years old and enough of the places are just not there anymore that it it is becoming less and less useful.

To each his own.

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Traveldog, Sonntag, 30. August 2015, 17:53 (vor 3155 Tagen) @ Traveldog

Hallo miteinander,

danke vielmals für die zahlreichen Antworten und Hinweise.

Gruss Traveldog

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