Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months???? (Papierkram)
IVECO Tony 
, Wherever., Freitag, 06. September 2013, 12:03 (vor 3892 Tagen)
Hope not although I knew there was one border post that routinely refused to issue TIP for longer than three months - BUT a thread on HUBB - http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/south-america/storage-location-in-urugu... - claims that one rider at least has recently been refused an 8 month TIP at three different borders.
Anyone have any further information?
If that is the case then I guess I will have to look at storing the vehicle in Uruguay instead of Argentina but what I don't want is to come back into Argentian from Chile a couple of weeks before I fly out only to find I have to drive to Uruguay at the last minute.
However, I guess if there is even a 20% chance of there being a problem, I might be better just finding storage in Uruguay and be done with it.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
That's bullshit!
These rumors come up every couple of months and they are still not true. At least when the car and the owner are from Europe. Which is the case for me since I'm from Germany. I just entered Argentina once again - this time from Bolivia - and got 8 months right away. In the last five years I did at least a dozen border crossings into Argentina from all countries having a border with Argentina and I always got 8 months.
Another rumor is that you need special documents for the car when leaving Argentina without car. This also is not true.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
landy89 , Montag, 09. September 2013, 13:05 (vor 3889 Tagen) @ cassowarry
It is not exactly a rumor. The law in Argentina is that a foreign vehicle is permitted to enter for 8 months maximum. HOWEVER, sometimes at some crossings with some officers different things happen. I have been granted a 3 month permit once at the Paso de Llama crossing between Atacama and Salta. I believe that this happened because that crossing is very busy with non-Mercosur vehicles and it is also very computerized. The officer scanned my euro passport (90 day tourist entry) and consequently the computer spit out a 90 day vehicle permit. On later entries at other crossings, i got 8 months; particularly when the officer had to enter the information manually either into the computer or on a paper.
There is also a rumor on HUBB that vehicles into Brasil no longer need TVIP. I don't know if this is true. But if it is, then that ends all worries about overstay.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
gusano 
, Freitag, 13. September 2013, 00:08 (vor 3886 Tagen) @ cassowarry
I agree total bull..............have crossed into Argent just now and already 5 times, always got 8 months. Forget the rest
Gusano
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
IVECO Tony , Wherever., Freitag, 13. September 2013, 00:44 (vor 3886 Tagen) @ gusano
Well 95% bull anyway because there is definitely one border post that routinely gives only three months and has for some time - paso jama (Sp?) between Argentina and Chile right up north, but it seems as if all the rest are still 8 months.
Good that nothing much has changed - well except for dollar blue exchange rate going up and up. Certainly makes BA prices seem not too bad when you get close to 9 pesos to the dollar.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
JStefan , Südamerika ex Asien, Freitag, 13. September 2013, 19:52 (vor 3885 Tagen) @ IVECO Tony
We can now confirm Brasil does not longer require a Tourist ( German) car registration. Just person registration, the rest is history.
Makes it much easier and faster....
Take care
Stefan
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Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
landy89 , Samstag, 14. September 2013, 11:21 (vor 3884 Tagen) @ JStefan
Many thanks Stefan!
Now the big question is: is it possible for a foreign car to stay in Brasil forever? We must wait to see if someone stays in Brasil with a car more than 3 months now.
I do know of some people who were keeping a car in Brasil for years because they would enter/exit only at Foz, where the controls are loose. But that was about 5 years ago.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
Hello,
now only 3 Month. What Stefan say is the new Law in Brasilia and ist now very easy to cross the Border. 3 Month and no day longer.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
landy89 , Samstag, 14. September 2013, 19:09 (vor 3884 Tagen) @ uruguay-trip
A man who has storage for motorcycles at Iguazu says that it is possible to leave the car in Brasil forever.
HUBB
It seems that the passport is not linked to the car.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
This stands not in the Passport. But if they look for your Passportnumber in the PC they see that you Import tem. a car. i think also they dont see that. But i have now a paper from Montevideo Custom and there is for al incoming in the land registert witch way or plan inkl. the flightnumber and if i come with a car the number of the car. And ist the same now in Brasilia. Ist al in the PC thats very easy for the custom. And that is in the Moment so and no other way.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
landy89 , Samstag, 14. September 2013, 20:05 (vor 3884 Tagen) @ uruguay-trip
On the HUBB, a man entered Brasil with his motorcycle. He was not given an TVIP. Later he left Brasil without his motorcycle. The motorcycle stayed in Brasil. He did not have any problems or questions when he left without the motorcycle.
For a few years now, when a person enters Uruguay with a car, the passport and car plate # are put in the computer. It does not mean anything. A person can leave Uruguay without their car; no problems. I think the same is in Brasil.
The TVIP for most countries is totally useless. Only in Argentina do they care. In Uruguay, i have never been asked for my TVIP when i exit. Not once. In Peru, I entered and they printed me up a new TVIP even though the computer said my car had been in the country for 4 years and never exited. Computer error they said. This is actually what the problem is: the records are so messed up that nobody cares.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
servus an alle. Sorry that´s in german, iam sure google translate it very well..
ein kleines live update aus brasilien bezueglich der einreise und des aufenthalts in brasilien. war heute bei der aduana in belo horizonte.
zuerst einmal die Internetseite fuer alle zum nachlesen
http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/Legislacao/Ins/2013/in13612013.htm
dabei ist fuer uns wichtig paragraph 90 und 91.
In 9o steht es muss nicht mehr regestriert werden oder Zollbedingte sachen bezüglich des fahrzeuges erledigt werden.
In 91 steht grob das das auto solange bleiben kann wie ich bleibe.
Das ist jetzt die auslegungssache.
Ich habe ein Visum ( keine permanencia, dafuer gelten die `neuen`gesetze nicht), bin in sao paulo gelandet und habe das auto dort empfangen. bei der aduana wurde uns gesagt, das auto kann solange bleiben wie sie, also 180 tage. wie es dahin kam und vielleicht wie lange es bereits in Brasilien ist war nicht wichtig.
Ich denke fuer all die leute deren auto bereits oder vielleicht länger da bleiben werden, die paragraphen kopieren und mitsichfuehren, das hilf sicherlich, denn die policia rodoviaria ist oft noch auf dem stand 6 monate und nicht mehr.
hoffe die nachricht hilft ein wenig..
viel spass auf der reise..
martin
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
landy89 , Samstag, 14. September 2013, 22:28 (vor 3884 Tagen) @ martinsstern
Of course Brasilian law only allows foreign vehicles to be in the country for the same amount of time as the owner is permitted (90 days or whatever). HOWEVER, the issue is not the law, but rather HOW is is enforced. Is there a way Brasil will track the foreign cars (now without the TVIP)? If they cannot track the cars, then the law is useless. I think will will find out more about this when a few people overstay their cars in Brasil.
There is a man in Foz who parks motorcycles for foreigners. He is probably the person who will find out first.
Argentina TIP now restricted to 3 months????
IVECO Tony , Wherever., Sonntag, 15. September 2013, 22:54 (vor 3883 Tagen) @ landy89
Regarding the difference between the written rules and the practical application of the rules, the previous owner of my vehicle came up against a problem when entering Argentina (at Pase de jama). First, as seems to be always the case, they would only give him 3 months, BUT more serious, they were not going to let him in at all because their records showed 4 previous entries - one going back several years - and no corresponding exits. He had to call in at the state HQ to get it sorted out.
Turned out that he had exited via some small border posts that were not on the network and the updates were never entered into the system. Fairly easily sorted out, although with a fair bit of inconvenience, because their movements could be tracked via their passport entries, but even that isn't definitive.
Recommendation is to always get a copy of your TIP stamped at the exit border post and make sure you keep them for several years.
He was told that the number of months allowed is solely at the whim of the border officials and the HQ wasn't going to get involved and couldn't change what had been granted. To get the 8 months that was needed he had to do a major detour to the next border post, cross over and come back the next day.